Wow!
His name is Robert Muraine and he is awesome!
Now that’s a tongue twister!
I just finished reading a blog post from a pastor who just returned from the WhiteBoard Conference in Washington DC. It disturbed me a little bit (ok, a lot!) because he wrote that he was so in awe of all of the “successful” pastors that were there. He went on to say that he felt that he didn’t belong there…that he was somehow inferior to these other men. That breaks my heart as a pastor. I get a little weary of this celebrity pastor subculture that even I sometimes buy into. We as pastors think that just because Pastor Fill-in-the Blank runs 5,000 in his church that he is more of a success in God’s eyes. Or if Pastor Fill-in-the Blank has written a book on church leadership or how to get your church to grow, that we are somehow not on the same level as they are. Look, I’m glad that we can go to conferences and read books and learn from each other, but when we start placing these pastors up on a pedestal, we are missing the mark completely. God has called each of us to be pastors, to be ministers and he has given each of us different work to do and there is nothing wrong with that, so let’s stop comparing ourselves and our ministries to the so called celebrity pastors and start being confident in the position that God has placed US in! I thank God for each of the pastors that I have learned from, guys that set the example for the rest of us. I really believe that most of them would tell you the same thing….
I don’t write that to insult those guys…they are great guys being used by God, but that’s the point…they’re just guys like all the rest of us. Let’s stop placing the pastors on the pedestal and put Jesus there where He belongs!
Saw this quote over on Missional Thoughts and had to post it. Very convicting.
“Unfortunately it [the church growth movement] fell victim to an idolatry as old as the Tower of Babel, the belief that we are the architects of the work of God. As a result we have the best churches men can build, but are still waiting for the church that only God can get the credit for.” - Reggie McNeal
Love these guys!
By now many of you have heard that Maria Chapman, the 5 year old daughter of Steven Curtis Chapman, was killed last night at the family’s home. It was a tragic accident and even though I don’t know Steven or any of his family from Adam, I sit here with tears streaming down my face. This is the part of life I don’t understand. This is the part of God I don’t understand. I can’t even begin to imagine the grief that the Chapman family must be experiencing right now. God please wrap your arms around that family, because nothing anyone else can do can help. God help me to cherish every day that I have with my children.
Because I am a self proclaimed Church Web Site expert (if your church has a website, chances are I’ve been to it), I have put together my Top 50 Church Web Sites. I have taken into account the design, practicality, innovation and the content of each site. I have not put them in order (that’s too hard), so if your church made the top 50 congrats!
Valleybrook Church, Eau Claire, WI
Willow Creek Community Church, South Barrington, IL
LifeChurch.tv, Edmond, OK
Granger Community Church, Granger, IN
Flood Church, San Diego, CA
Fellowship of the Woodlands, The Woodlands, TX
National Community Church, Washington, DC
North Point Community Church, Alpharetta, GA
Sandals Church, Riverside, CA
Seacoast Church, Columbia, SC
Watermark Community Church, Dallas, TX
Central Christian Church, Henderson, NV
Genesis Church.tv, Tallahassee, FL
South Hills Church, Corona, CA
Kaleo Church, Bellaire, TX
The Church On Rush Creek, Arlington, TX
Life Church, Memphis, TN
Westridge Church, Dallas, GA
Church by the Glades, Coral Springs, FL
NewSpring Church, Anderson, SC
Mountain Lake Church, Cumming, GA
Eastside Christian Church, Fullerton, CA
Mecklenburg Community Church, Charlotte, NC
Elevation Church, Layton, UT
Ginghamsburg Church, Tipp City, OH
Destiny Church, St. Louis, MO
121 Community Church, Grapevine, TX
Four Corners Community Church, West Chester, OH
New Valley Church, Phoenix, AZ
Forefront Church, Virginia Beach, VA
Westside Family Church, Lenexa, KS
Mars Hill Church, Seattle, WA
Northgate Free Methodist Church, Batavia, NY
Southridge Community Church, St. Catharines, ON
Kingsfield Church, Irvine, CA
Grace Community Church, Clarksville, TN
Northside Christian Church, New Albany, IN
Gateway Church, Austin, TX
Abundant Living Faith Center, El Paso, TX
Bent Tree Bible Fellowship, Carrollton, TX
Catalina Church of Midtown, Tucson, AZ
City of Grace, Mesa, AZ
Edgepoint Church, Powell, TN
Glad Tidings Assembly, London, ON
One*, Spokane, WA
The Church at South Las Vegas, Las Vegas, NV
Windsor Crossing Community Church, Chesterfield, MO
Imago Dei Community Church, Portland, OR
HighPoint Church, Memphis, TN
NewSong Church, Irvine, CA
I love my oldest son Lincoln. He is 5 years old and loves his daddy! I love seeing the changes in him, physically and socially. As he’s grown older I see the traits that all 5 year old’s seem to exhibit and it got me thinking spiritually.
In the Bible we see that some Christians are referred to as “mature”, and others are referred to as “Baby” Christians. But what about those who aren’t quite mature, but aren’t still babes? What about spiritual 5 year olds? I’m convinced that there are more spiritual 5 year olds than babes out there. These are christians who have a grasp of God’s Word, who don’t need the milk in a bottle anymore, but still aren’t anywhere close to mature. How do we know we are a spiritual 5 year old? Let’s look at some parallels to a physical 5 year old.
So, there you have it. Were are you? Are you a spiritual 5 year old? Are there some steps you need to take in order to begin to grow up spiritually? What do you think?
I haven’t followed American Idol as closely this season and I’m not sure why. I think the whole thing is wearing off for me. Don’t get me wrong, I think that there were some very talented people on there this season, but for some reason it hasn’t really held my interest. So, It comes down to the 2 David’s. David Archuleta and David Cook. I would like to see David Cook win, but I realize the votes are probably in Archie’s corner (from all the adolescent girls!). I think that Archuleta’s songs all sound the same. I would go out and buy a David Cook CD immediately. Who is your guess?
After reading a couple different pastors blogs (Gary Lamb and Michael Lukaszewski) and finding out who these pastors listen to to help them in their spiritual journey, I’m going to give you the crazy long list of pastors that I listen to regularly. All of these guys are available by podcast and I learn so much from them. It’s way too many and there are not enough hours in the day to listen to all of their messages, but I sure do try!
Andy Stanley, North Point Community Church
Francis Chan, Cornerstone Simi Valley
Mark Driscoll, Mars Hill Church
Rob Bell, Mars Hill Bible Church
Steven Furtick, Elevation Church
Vince Antonucci, Forefront Church
Darrin Patrick, Journey St. Louis
Craig Groeschel, Life Church.tv
Erwin McManus, Mosaic
Mark Batterson, National Community Church
Perry Noble, Newspring Church
John Burke, Gateway Community Church
Mike Slaughter, Ginghamsburg Church
Matt Hammett, Flood
Rick McKinley, Imago Dei
Chris Seay, Ecclesia Houston
Judd Wilhite, Central Christian
Tim Lucas, Liquid Church
Greg Suratt, Seacoast Church
Nelson Searcy, The Journey Manhattan
Dave Ferguson, Community Christian
Matt Chandler, Village Church
Scott Hodge, The Orchard
John Ortberg, Menlo Park
John Piper, Bethlehem Baptism
Gateway Community Church, Austin, Texas
From Perry Noble’s last message;
“If you love the way we do church now, you’re probably going to hate it in 10 years.”
I’ve said before that if we’re singing the same songs, doing the same things the same way we are doing them now in 10 years…shoot me. I don’t want to be in a comfort zone. I don’t want to ever be a pastor that says, “We’ve always done it that way”. I want to always be exploring new ways to do church…ways that haven’t been thought of yet. Ways that will be relevant to the culture of the current time. Church has usually been about 10 years behind the current culture and in some cases even more. What is a way of doing church that hasn’t been done yet?
Sorry, my ADD made me change my design again. I tried to resist…just too strong!
I wish I could change a couple of things about myself when it comes to my preaching, but I simply can’t. I can always be more prepared, more prayed up and more given over to be used by the Holy Spirit, but I can’t change these things.
So thanks to everyone that listens to me when I preach!
I love my O’s. It’s great to see them doing well. I hope that it lasts. Some of the guys on the team put this fun video together and they now play it on the big screen when the O’s win. It looks like these guys have alot of fun together. Kevin Millar is a riot….especially those leg kicks!
If you attend The Journey Church or you just live in our area….tell everyone that you know about the “Let it Fly” Flag Football Tournament on July 13th. This will be a great event for the community to come together, get some exercise and just plain have fun. This is a PDF of the poster that you will see around town. Print one off if you need one to give.
I was watching “P.S. I Love you” with my wife tonight (no wise cracks!) and at the end the main character made this statement. I thought it was dead on about the value of life.
“This is my one and only life, and it’s a great and terrible and short and endless thing. And none of us comes out of it alive.”
Life is funny. It truly is great and terrible at the same time, both short and endless. We only get one shot at this thing. What are we doing with the time we’ve been given?
Here is a PDF of an article written about The Journey Church in our local Suburban Scene Magazine:
Got these from over at Church Marketing Sucks.
This is the full article “Things they tell church planters that are wrong”, for those of us that won’t click on the link!
Next weekend, Mother’s Day, marks the fifth anniversary of the launch of the church that my family planted and that a year ago closed its doors (for the second but final time).
I’ve been thinking lately about the process of starting new churches. A lot of that thinking comes from me knowing that I still have work to do, that clearly I’m not in the retirement home for Christians like some worn out kitchen sponge that still holds water but is full of the stink of overuse.
I think we’ll end up leading a church again, but when or who or how is still up in the air. I have lots of thoughts on this topic, but none I wish to type at the moment. But I do know that the past four years - and the months before that which we spent preparing to launch our church plant
So here are some of the things we were told along the way that I just don’t agree with anymore, whether or not I did back then. Some were said directly, some just implied. And the folks that I read them from or heard them from - I really respect them, their lives, their churches. But I know these ways are not my way. Not then, and even more so now.
It’s all about Sunday.
Put all your energy into a great experience on Sunday, and build community out of Sunday worship services. Greet people who come to the door warmly, have great coffee and donuts, a good band, be welcoming and funny, treat the kids well so they’ll want to bring their parents back. If you’re dead to the world on Monday, or through Wednesday, so be it. Sunday is worth it.
For a church which gathers on Sundays, well, Sunday’s a pretty big day. And there’s a lot to be said for being hospitable and safe for the kids. But nowadays I think that if Sundays leave you - pastor or leader or guest - feeling worn out and drained, perhaps you’re missing the point of celebrating the the life of the Trinity, the risen Christ, in your life and the life of your community. What if the community’s gathering is actually refreshing, invigorating, restorative, re-creational?
If we can’t live an everyday faith, 7×24, because the events of last week crushed us, then our faith is out of balance. If we’re so focused on getting the chairs set up on Sunday that we’re not going to hang out with neighbors on Saturday night, then we’re missing the whole point.
If it’s not working, your signage or location is wrong
I was actually told this, along the way, when my response to “how big is the church now” didn’t satisfy the lady asking me the question.
In our tribe of churches, there used to be a day when you could literally put out an A-board sign and people would flock into the worship gathering. Stories are even told of the early days when people wouldn’t even put up a sign, but God’s Spirit would just divinely guide folks to a house in the suburbs where something was happening, and it would be overflowing.
Now, I think signage and maps and directions are helpful, for those that know they want to go. But I also think that, at least in the Pacific Northwest, those days are long gone. People who want to go to a church can find one in the newspaper or phone book or the local junior high building.
There’s a societal shift happening. The means and ways of the church’s expansion are shifting as well. Or at least they can be, and should be, and in some places are. Perhaps it’s about people, relationships, networks.
If it’s not working, perhaps God’s doing something else.
What counts is attendance, baptisms and signups for membership class
My tribe’s annual health check sent out to church plants asked those three questions: How many in attendance (and what count by racial heritage), how many did you baptize this year, and how many people have gone through your membership class.
In the church growth era and movement, we were told that if the church is a healthy organism, it must grow. Lack of growth was due to an internal restriction - bad programs or bad leadership or bad structures.
I always wanted to be able to write in the margins, to tell the story of the woman who’s doing pretty well with her crack addiction, or the couple who’s not fighting so much these days and their kids feel safe, or the guy who has a kind ear to listen to his crazy stories of the good old days. But they don’t make the margins very big on those forms.
For the first two years, work as hard as you can without burning out
Then, just before you burn out, you’ll have enough people in the church that you can hand off duties to them, and then just work super extra hard.
At one point, early in our church plant, my wife and I had 5 evenings a week PLUS Sunday committed to the church. We were leading a couple small groups, doing a marriage workshop for the community, doing premarital counseling with a couple and doing postmarital counseling with another. All were good choices, all were “needed”. But we were going to die.
Two stories about John Wimber, who founded our movement, come to mind. In his church’s middle aged days, he would pass friends (now on staff in his thriving church) - folks who were, like him, working so hard that they didn’t have time to be together as friends. John would shake his head at this loss, and say, “well, maybe in heaven”.
Or another. John used to tell his guys early on that pastors don’t retire, they either die on the job of old age or have heart attacks.
John didn’t always get it right. And there’s a difference between being driven and being workaholic.
And moreso, leaders - church planters - model healthy lifestyles to the folks that they lead. If we’re too busy for relationship, we’re telling those who follow us that it’s ok for them to be so busy that they don’t have time for people.
We - early on - made the choice that the church wouldn’t do more than 2 weeknight things at a time, and nobody was invited to both. You could come to one or the other, but not both. A marriage workshop or a small group, but not both. On the other night, go have dinner with your neighbors instead.
Did this decision stunt our growth? Quite possibly, but if it did, it only did so numerically. My family’s still intact and healthy. I wouldn’t trade this decision for anything.
The goal of every pastor is to be full-time, paid
Being bivocational (working in a ‘normal’ job just pays the bills so that you can lead the church) is only for a time; but the real work of ministry is when you’re full time on staff for your church. This usually happens when your church is between 100-150 in attendance, with normal giving patterns.
I liked being able to focus on the church only, during the time that this happened for us. For my family, that happened because I was a stay-home dad, and my wife supported the family financially. These days - the first couple of years of our church plant - were a lot of fun. I had tons of time with my daughter, I had tons of time to read and write and meet people and pray and reflect. Better still, I could talk about the discipleship aspect of financial stewardship easily - because I wasn’t taking the money of the people. The most I was ever compensated for leading our church was 1/2 of our health insurance. Oh, and being reimbursed for my book purchases (that part I miss a lot :-)).
But now that I’m back in the software world, I’m connected to the reality of workaday life that I wasn’t during that phase. I wonder now, if I’d ever really like to be paid to be a full-time pastor of a church. With that comes a lot of structure, organization, planning, staff work that I’m not convinced is the best way for me.
Some people are just scaffolding people
A book I read by a guy I highly respect said this. When a church plant starts, some of the early people who come won’t be with you in the end. That’s OK, but you should see them the same way that you build a scaffolding in order to build a house. They’re not going to be around for the long haul, but they can be useful in the short term.
To some extent, I still believe this: Early in a church plant’s life, you attract all kinds of folks who see this new organism as the fulfillment of their hopes and dreams, or better yet, as better than the last place they were at because you’re not their last pastor. Inevitably, the newness fades. And hopefully, the community’s focus becomes more and more clear; it discovers for itself “which way this bus is headed”, and people who don’t want to be on that bus recognize it and hop off.
However, this mentality encourages you to see people by their usefulness to you, and your plans and vision. And it also sets you up to look for enemies, for betrayers. And if somebody’s not totally with you, then it must be that they’re fickle and not long for your church.
One of the guys we had with us was a very difficult personality - very legalistic, stringent, and upset if we all didn’t live life his organic, no-sugar, no-tv kind of way. (For some reason my constant movie references didn’t give him a clue that I wasn’t in his world). I was praying one day, complaining about him to God - as clearly as I’ve ever heard the voice of God speak, he told me, “Hey! You say that you want a community of different people, right? And that discipleship happens in community. He’s here not in spite of your plans, but because of your plans.”
We still see this guy. And have a better relationship than ever, even though I still watch TV and eat Cheetos sometimes.
Gather a crowd first, figure out who the disciples are later
Same book, but this one’s more commonly held. Start out by attracting as many as you can, as quickly as you can. Don’t do discipleship - hard calls to faith - but let there be a sense of joy, a buzz, a lot of excitement as the church is growing. Later, identify those among the crowd who are are willing to be disciples of Christ - the truly committed - and build them to be leaders. After all, Jesus did this - he had crowds around him, but he only choose 12, and really 3, to be intimate disciples.
For a church which measures its value by Sunday attendance, that’s fine.
For me, though, I see it this way: Jesus focused his time on 12 people, and really 3. And the course of history was changed.
Thanks to Melissa for showing this to me. Funny stuff!
This is sad, disturbing and hilarious all at the same time. If this is what it takes to get healed….I’ll pass!
Please, no “leg dropping” the pastors at The Journey Church!
Crosspoint Community Church, Nashville, Tenessee
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